So I upgraded our test forum to vb 4.0.6 two days ago and its finally usable as far as I can tell. The only thing holding back the live upgrade is the themes. After I get a couple themes upgraded for use with vb 4, we'll upgrade the main forums/site. This could be this weekend, maybe next. It all depends on how long it takes me with these themes. The only theme that is currently done is the Yu Yu Hakusho theme. And of course the horribly blinding default vbulletin 4 theme. The sanji theme, maybe all blue and maybe one more theme will be done before we upgrade. yu yu hakusho theme is dark, the sanji theme is bright, (but not blinding like the vb4 theme), and all blue is medium. After the initial 3-4 themes are done, I won't work on any more themes until vb 4.1 comes out which is supposed to streamline the theme process.